PART 2:SYMES & PART 3:HAYTER TREES

PART 2: SYMES FAMILY TREE

This section is currently being revised and updated in 2021, so changes may occur from time to time. I am currently investigating the possibility that GGGGF John Symes may have originated in the Wimborne area and not Powerstock.

 

The name ‘Symes’ is often spelt ‘Sims’ in historical documents. Other variations include Syms, Simms and Simes, often within the same family. Choice of spelling often depended on the preference of the person who was making the record. Many family trees show that our Symes family originated in Powerstock, West Dorset and that at some time around 1800, GGGGF John Symes b1781 moved 40 miles to Horton, just a few miles from Wimborne, where he married GGGGM Rose Hayter. Their daughter, Rose Elizabeth Symes, married James Loader in 1851 (See below). Below is a diagram showing the members of the Symes and Hayter families.

 

The 1831 census shows that most males in Horton worked as agricultural labourers on six farms in the area. The local blacksmith would have had plenty of work repairing tools and making metal objects such as horse shoes.

25.0 GGGM Rose Elizabeth Symes (1822-1883)

It was the marriage of Rose Elizabeth Symes (aka Elizabeth Rose) to James Smith Loader in 1851 that brought the Symes family into our family tree. The Symes branch of our tree is well known for the highly skilled blacksmiths that came from it, for at least three generations. Sadly several of our Symes relatives appear to have had unhappy lives and died at quite young ages.

25.1 Early life of GGGM Rose Elizabeth Symes (1822-1883)

Rose Elizabeth Symes (spelt Simes) was the first baby baptised in 1822 at Horton cum Woodlands

Rose Elizabeth Symes (aka Elizabeth Rose Symes) was born (possibly at the end of 1821) in Horton after the family moved there around 1820. She was baptised on 13 Jan 1822 at Horton cum Woodland with the record listing her parents as GGGGP John Symes, blacksmith and Rose (Rosanna) Elizabeth Symes. Presumably she lived with her parents in Horton until she was an adult.

In 1841 she was living at Horton Heath with her parents and the household consisted of parents John Symes 60 and Rosanna Symes 55 and children Benjamin Symes 20, GGGM Elizabeth (Rose) Symes 19 and James Symes 14. (Adults ages rounded down). Horton Heath is about 1 mile from Horton at the junction of Burts Lane and Horton Rd.

25.2 GGGM Rose Elizabeth Symes (1822-1883): Early Relationships

Rose was 20 in Aug 1842 when she had her first son out of wedlock, whom she named Walter Wilcox Symes (See below). Then in 1848, unmarried Rose 26, had a daughter whom she named Frances Seviour Symes. See below for names of possible fathers. On 1 June 1848, brother Benjamin married Mary Ann Hebditch and GGGM Rose Elizabeth Symes was a witness at his wedding in Horton.  Rose’s father John Symes died a few months later in 1848, leaving her, an unmarried mother with her two children, living with her widowed mother.

April 1851: GGGF James Smith Loader  'visiting' GGGM Rose Elizabeth Symes & family at Horton

In Jan 1851 there was more tragedy when Rose’s mother GGGGM Rose Symes nee Hayter died, leaving Rose to care for her two children by herself. Without a partner for support, her situation would have been desperate. A few months later in April 1851 Rose was in a relationship with GGGF James Smith Loader who was living in her house with her two young children. Not long before the census, she became pregnant again and on 10 November of that year she gave birth to her third illegitimate child, whom she named Rose Symes, after herself and her mother.

 

Rose Symes born 10 Nov & baptised 30 Nov by GGGM Rose Elizabeth Symes (now Loader), single woman

GGGF James Smith Loader was probably the father. He married Rose shortly after the birth of her daughter and by the time of the baptism on 30 Nov, the little girl was given his surname. See 13.0 for more information about GGGP Rose Symes b1822, James Loader and their family.

20.3 Walter Wilcox Symes (1842-1890) (stepson of GGGF James Loader)

When she was 19 in December 1841, Rose had a relationship with an unknown man and became pregnant. The following year in Horton cum Woodlands, Dorset, on 21 Aug 1842, Rose gave birth to her first child out of wedlock, whom she named Walter Wilcox Symes.

Walter Wilcox Symes was baptised by unmarried mother Rose Elizabeth Symes, 21 Aug 1842 at Horton Cum Woodlands. The 2nd baptism above is for Fanny Wilcox. As her family lived about 8 miles from Horton there is probably no connection

 

Wilcox is an unusual middle name that may have been chosen as it connected young Walter to his father. It is possible that the father was Walter Wilcox (see 20.3a) who lived nearby (1 mile) in Horton. As Walter Wilcox was a farm labourer, perhaps he met Rose when he took a plough or broken tools to Rose’s father who was a blacksmith in the area.

A centuries old farmhouse at Woodlands, Witchampton, Dorset. Perhaps home to the Symes family?

Walter Wilcox Symes was a half-brother to GGF Edmund Loader. In 1851 Walter was living at Horton with his mother, sister and future stepfather GGGF James Loader. There is some evidence that life in the Loader/Symes household was neither stable nor happy (See 12.5).

1861 Census: Walter W Symes 18 year old 'turner'' living at 5 West Row with GGGP James & Rose Loader

In 1861 Walter Wilcox Symes 18 was still living with his family, who were now living at 5 West Row, Wimborne, and had the occupation 'turner'. In 1881 a Walter Sims, unmarried 'engine turner' (born in Wimborne) was visiting John 30 and Elizabeth Bell nee Hook 32 in London with unmarried Ann Sims 41 (b Huntingdon) and children Walter 4, Louisa 2 and Alice Sims 1. If this is 'our' Walter his age is incorrectly listed as 34, when in fact he was 38. Ten years later in 1891 Ann Sims was a widow. What became of Walter is not known, but he may have been buried in Brompton Cemetery in 1890 with a listed age of 45.

 

NOTE Re 1881 Census. It appears Ann Sims was the sister of Elizabeth Bell and that they were born to John and Susan/Susanna Hook in Kimbolton, Huntingdonshire. Although Walter was listed as unmarried (could be an error), it also appears that Ann Sims was his partner, and therefore he was the probably the father of her three children. The eldest son was named after him. Their relationship (or marriage) probably started in the mid 1870's, but no birth records have been found for the three children.

20.3a Walter Wilcox (1815-1887) possible father of Walter Wilcox Symes

In 1841 Walter Wilcox, 26 year old labourer was living with his parents near GGGM Rose Elizabeth Symes

In 1841 Walter Wilcox 26 (b1815 Horton) a single man lived with his parents in Horton about one mile from 19 year old Rose E Symes in Horton Heath. The fact that Rose used his names for her son suggests strongly that he may have been the father. Rose’s son Walter Wilcox Symes was born the next year (1842). This would not be the first time that descendants in the Wilcox family were born out of wedlock. Ann Wilcox was listed in both the 1841 and 1851 censuses and was the illegitimate daughter of George's sister Clarissa Wilcox.

In 1851 Walter 36 was unmarried and still living in Horton with his parents

In 1851 Walter Wilcox 36 was unmarried and living at no 92 Horton Rd with his parents. GGGM Rose Elizabeth Symes 29 was living at no 84 with her two children and future husband GGGF James Loader 28. Walter Wilcox remained a bachelor all his life and in 1881 at the age of 66 was living in Horton with his brother. Perhaps he remained unmarried because he was heartbroken when GGGM Rose Elizabeth Symes and son Walter moved out of his life. He died in 1887 at Horton aged 72.

Interestingly, in 1841, Walter Wilcox and his parents lived very close to William Readhead who was to marry Elizabeth Wadham nee Loader 4 years later in Horton. In March 1851 Walter Wilcox was living at no. 92 Horton St., Elizabeth Rose Symes (who was pregnant) and future husband James Loader lived at no. 84 and William Redhead and his new wife Elizabeth nee Wadham, nee Loader (Aunt of James) were living down the road at 37 Horton St. In 1851, James Loader’s younger brother Charles Loader was staying with his Aunt Elizabeth Wadham nee Loader. They would all have known each other very well.

20.4 Frances Seviour Symes (1845-1935): step daughter of GGGF James Loader

In late 1845 Rose Symes (later Loader) gave birth to a daughter named Frances Seviour Symes (again out of wedlock) in Horton. Rose was baptised on 14 Dec 1845. We do not know the father but perhaps Frances’ middle name “Seviour’ gives a clue. As with her brother’s middle name, “Seviour” is an unusual choice. Perhaps it was also chosen as a link with the father. There were several “Seviour” families living close by at the time. See 20.4a for possible fathers.

14 Dec 1845 baptism entry for Frances Seviour Symes born to Rose Elizabeth Symes, single woman at Horton

Frances was a half-sister to GGF Edmund Loader. In 1851 Frances was living at Horton with her mother, brother and future stepfather GGGF James Loader. There is some evidence that life in the Loader/Symes household was not stable, nor happy (See 12.5). In 1861 Frances Symes 15 was  living with the family at 5 West Row, Wimborne and had the occupation "maid of all work".

 

Marriage of Frances Seviour Symes to William Knight at Wimborne 17 Apr 1865

At the age of 20 on 17 Apr 1865, Frances Seviour Symes of Wimborne married William Knight, 30 year old sadler, in Wimborne. Interestingly, Frances listed her father as John Symes, carpenter (GGGF John Symes in fact was her grandfather and he was a blacksmith). Was there significance in the fact that she did not name her stepfather GGF James Loader (a sawyer) as her 'father'? Both men were deceased by the time she married. Frances and her husband William Knight signed their names. One of the witnesses at the wedding was the minister who officiated. This was unusual, and may indicate that there were few (if any) family members present.

In 1871 Frances 25 and William 35, were living at Sackmore Lane, Marnhull (22 miles from Wimborne). By 1881 they were living in the same location but their family had grown to include William Knight 46 sadler, Frances Knight 35, Elizabeth Rose Knight 7 (forenames from her mother and grandmother) and Louisa Kate Knight 2. (Half brother Walter also had a daughter named Louisa.)

There was a change of address in 1891 to Burton St. Marnhull. The family consisted of William Knight 56, Francis Knight 44 glove machinist and Kate Knight 12 (she had dropped Louisa). In 1901 they were back in Sackmore Lane and William's business was going so well he was listed as an employer, but he still worked from home. The family consisted of William Knight 64, Francis Knight 54 and Kate Knight 22.

 

The 1911 census provides a great deal of detail. Frances Knight 67 was a widow supporting herself by working as a glovemaker and saddler from home. During her lifetime she had given birth to two children who were still alive. She was still living with single daughter Kate Knight 30 who worked from home as a dressmaker.

 

Frances Seviour Knight nee Symes died at the age of 89 on 1 Jul 1935. She lived much longer than any of her siblings and half siblings. She was still living in Sackmore Lane, Marnhull at the time of her death. Frances effects were valued at £199 in her will and probate was granted to her daughter Louisa Kate Knight spinster.

Extract from UK Probate Record

20.4a Possible fathers of Frances Seviour Symes

In 1841 (four years prior to Frances’ birth) in Horton Heath there were several men with the surname Seviour who could be the father of Frances Seviour Symes.

A) Thomas Seviour 40 carpenter and his family lived a few doors away from Rose and her family in 1841. Living with Thomas were his wife Elizabeth Seviour 40 and children Sarah Seviour 15, Moses Seviour 15 (b1836), Eliza Seviour 12, Jane Seviour 10, Ann Seviour 8 and Frances Bailey 15. Either Thomas or his son Moses Seviour (who would have been 19 when Frances was conceived) could have been the father. Living with the Seviour family was Frances Bailey (a boarder or employee), who may have inspired Rose to use Frances as the first name for her daughter 4 years later. Later, Rose's daughter Frances Seviour Symes would name her father as John Symes, carpenter. John Symes was actually her grandfather and he was a blacksmith, but describing her father as a carpenter may be a link to Thomas Seviour who was also a carpenter.

B) George Seviour 15 was also living close by. George would have been 19 when Frances was conceived in 1845. On 1 Jun 1848 George Seviour and Rose Elizabeth Symes were witnesses at her brother Benjamin’s wedding in Wimborne. So they knew each other well, but it is doubtful that George would have been invited to the wedding if he was the father of Rose’s illegitimate three year old child.

 

In 1851 (6 years after Frances was born) there were three Seviour families living in Horton.

C) At no 53 was Jeremiah Seeviour 40 and his family. All the boys in his family would have been too young to be the father so Jeremiah was the only possibility here.

 

D) At no 56 were the family mentioned in A) above. Thomas Seviour 58 carpenter, Betsy (Elizabeth) Seviour 56, Sarah Seviour 27 and grandson Charles C Seviour 6. Thomas remains a possibility. The grandson of Thomas Seviour, Charles Seviour married Frances Ricketts in 1864 at Horton and they later named one of their daughters Rose Elizabeth Seviour (possibly after Rose Elizabeth Symes, with whom his grandfather may have had an affair).

 

E) At no 10, George Seviour from B) above was 26 and was married to Frances Cuff 29. They were married in June 1850, so George would have been single when Frances Symes was conceived in 1845. However the father of his wife was listed as the Clerk of the Parish of Horton. This position would have kept him informed of births and to some extent relationships in the village. I would assume he would not have been happy with his daughter marrying a man who had fathered an illegitimate child by another woman a few years before.  Sadly George’s wife Frances Seviour nee Cuff died less than one year after she was married and was buried on 11 Jun 1851 at Horton. (NB The ages in 1841 were often rounded down).

21.0 GGGGP John Symes (1785-1848) & Rose (Rosanna) Hayter (1782-1851)

John Symes and Rose Hayter were the parents of GGGM Rose Elizabeth Symes. Click this link to see the Ancestors & Descendants of  GGGGP John Symes & Rosanna Hayter

GGGGF John Symes (jnr) was baptised on 1 July 1781 in Powerstock Dorset. He was the son of GGGGGP John Symes (snr) (1743-1781) and Sarah Symes nee Lovelace (see 23.0).

Bottom Entry: Baptism of "John, son of John & Sarah Symes" 1 Jul 1781 at Powerstock

At some stage in the early 1800's GGGGP John Symes b1781 moved over 40 miles to the Wimborne area.

 

NOTE: Further research may alter our knowledge regarding John Syme's parentage. It would have been unusual for someone to move forty miles at that time, so possibly he came from somewhere closer to Wimborne. There are records (land holdings and a son with that name) that suggest our John Symes had a brother named Benjamin Symes. There were two Benjamin Symes born not far from Wimborne at More Critchel (1773) and Long Crichell (1775). If both children had the same parents they were  Benjamin Symes and Mary Talbot (from Sixpenny Handley), who married in 1757 at Long Crichel (Mary d as widow in 1796 at Moor Crichell. Presumably the first son died, the family moved and then the second son was born. However, so far no record has been found indicating a John Symes was born in this area around this time, so if his father was Benjamin Symes c1730 the record of baptism may be lost.

 

Wimborne Minster Land Tax 1811 listing Benjamin & (Jn) John Symes as owner occupiers

 In 1811 John was listed along with Benjamin Symes as being an owner occupier of land in the Tything of Wimborne Minster. The same record appears under the Tything of Stone in 1818. The fact that Benjamin's name was mentioned first, suggests he may have been the father or an older brother. Land tax documents list only Benjamin's name in 1821 and through the 1820's (1823 and 1826), after John had moved to the Kingston Lacy/Shapwick area.

GGGGF John Symes bachelor of Wimborne Minster married GGGGM Rose Hayter of Wimborne St Giles 14 Feb 1814

 

At the age of 32 on 14 Feb 1814, GGGGF John Symes b1781, 33 year old bachelor of Wimborne Minster, married GGGGM Rose Hayter spinster 32 at Wimborne St Giles, in the "Parish of Wimborne Minster".  As the parish record listed him as coming from Wimborne Minster, GGGGF John Symes must have moved from Powerstock at least a few years before. GGGGF John Symes signed his name, but Rose Symes nee Hayter made her mark. Later John's children had enough literacy skills to sign their names. Literacy was not common in the early 1800's so the family must have valued the importance of education.

GGGGM Rose Hayter was baptised on 8 Sept 1782 at Ibsley in Hampshire so was 32 at the time of her marriage. The 1814 wedding was witnessed by Ann Symes, who signed her name (possibly a cousin of John Symes). Rose had grown up in Ibsley, Hampshire but her family had moved 9 miles to Hampreston by the early 1800's (3 miles from Wimborne). Several of Rose Hayter’s siblings married and settled in the Hampreston area. These siblings were Stephen Hayter (his daughter was born at Hampreston in 1811), William Hayter (was married in Hampreston in 1811) and sister Abi Hayter (was married in Hampreston in 1818). Rose Hayter possibly met John Symes (b1881) whilst visiting her siblings in nearby Wimborne. (See 30.0 for more detail about GGGGM Rose Hayter’s ancestors.)

After their marriage in 1814, GGGGP John and Rose Symes nee Hayter moved to Kingston (Kingston Lacy Estate-3 miles from Wimborne), where John worked as a dairyman. It was there that their first child, also named John was born. John Symes the younger was baptised "in the chapelry of Kingston in the parish of Great Canford" on 26 Feb 1815.

NOTE. "The 1784 Enclosure Act allowed Henry Bankes the Younger, grandson of Ralph Bankes, to create the current Kingston Lacy Estate and parkland footprint. He demolished the hamlet of Kingston which was situated adjacent to the 16th-century Keeper's Lodge, diverted the Blandford Road (B3082) and converted former agricultural land to parkland." (Wikipedia). The property is owned by the National Trust and open to the public.

 

From 1817-1819 GGGGP John and Rose Symes nee Hayter lived in Shapwick where John Symes b1781 was still working as a dairyman. He may have still been employed at Kingston Lacy as the vast grounds of the estate may have extended over the 3 miles to near Shapwick. It was there that two more sons were born; William Symes (1817) and Benjamin Symes (1819). The baptism records for his first two children indicated that his occupation was ‘dairyman’, but by the time of son Benjamin’s birth, John 38 was listed as a ‘labourer’ (he had possibly started working as a blacksmith).

 

In 1820 the family moved 6 miles to Horton where John worked as blacksmith for the rest of his life. John Symes and his sons are mentioned on the website ‘Blacksmiths of Dorset’. Their Blacksmith’s workshop according to an old map was situated on the main road going through Horton quite near both to the Horton Tower and the village pump.

Horton Tower stands above the hamlet of Horton on a hill

Three more children were born to the couple and baptised in Horton: GGGM Rose Elizabeth Symes 13 Jan 1822, Charles Symes 28 Mar 1824 and James Symes 5 Mar 1827. At all three baptisms, GGGGF John Symes was listed as a blacksmith. 

 

1831 land Tax Tithing of Stone, Wimborne: J & Benjamin Sims, John Sims & Joseph Sims

 

Land Tax returns in 1821 and 1831 listed members of the Sims family as landowners in the Tithing of Stone, Wimborne. Three landholdings were listed in 1831 and 1832 under the seperate ownership of John and Benjamin Sims (father & son?), John Sims and Joseph Sims (son of John born at Holt 1800). The lattewr property was occupied by widow Shory?

NB Stone was in the area of Kingston Lacy (https://www.opcdorset.org/WimborneFiles/WimborneDirectory1865.htm)

 

The Electoral rolls for 1831-1840 also listed John (and Benjamin Sims; possibly a brother) as residents in the Holt area (about 2m from Horton) and having freehold ownership of a house and land. In 1840-1841 only Benjamin was listed as a landowner. John's son Benjamin, was not 20 at this time so it is unlikely to be him. The 1830’s were a tough decade for John and Rose Symes nee Hayter. In 1833 their 9 year old son Charles died in Horton and in 1838 oldest son John (who had married Maria Whitlock in 1835) died of typhoid at the age of 24.

1841: John Symes 60 blacksmith at Horton, Rosanna Symes nee Hayter & Benjamin, Elizabeth & James Symes

 

In March 1841 the family was living at Horton Heath. The family consisted of GGGGP John Symes 60 blacksmith and Rosanna Symes 55 and children Benjamin Symes 20, GGGM Elizabeth (Rose) Symes 15 and James Symes 14. In the following decade two of their sons were married. On 29 Aug 1842 son William married Mary Jane Rimand and on the marriage registration GGGGF John's employment was listed as 'pipemaker'. This employment may have involved metal pipes which needed his blacksmith skills. Six years later on 1 June 1848, son Benjamin married Mary Ann Hebditch. Father John Symes was listed as a labourer. Elizabeth Collette Loader was a witness at the first wedding and Benjamin's sister GGGM Rose Elizabeth Symes was a witness to the second wedding. Tragically, a few weeks later on 16 Jul 1848, GGGGF John Symes (b1781), a resident of Horton, was killed in a work accident. He was buried at Horton cum Woodlands at age 67.

 

John Symes b1781 (top) was buried in Horton 16 July 1848. An asterixed note reads "ridden over at Ringwood Fair"

An asterixed note at the bottom of the burial record indicates that the cause of death was from being "ridden over (by horse or carriage?) at Ringwood Fair (about 7 miles from Horton)- died two days later". Possibly the accident happened whilst he was trying to shoe a horse or repair a steel rimmed wheel.

On 5 Oct 1849 son James Symes 22 married a cousin Caroline Hayter (daughter of his GGGGM Rose Symes nee Hayter’s brother William Hayter-see 31.4a) at Longfleet, Poole. GGGGM Rose Symes nee Hayter died two years later and was buried on 18 Jan 1851 at Horton aged 68. (See 31.1) GGGGP John and Rose Symes nee Hayter were probably buried in the graveyard attached to The Church of Wolfreda, Horton. Their son Benjamin and his wife are also buried there.

22.0 Six Children of GGGGP John Symes (1781-1848) & Rose Hayter (1782-1851)  UPDATED DEC 2018

The three eldest sons became blacksmiths like their father. GGGGF John b1781 and son Benjamin are listed on the ‘Dorset Blacksmiths’ page at http://blacksmiths.mygenwebs.com/dorset-1.php. This publication states that the family was "well known as blacksmiths for at least three generations". The family's blacksmith workshop was according to an old map situated on the main road going through Horton quite near both to the Horton Tower and the village pump.

Information about GGGGF John Syme's family & grave inscription for son Benjamin and Mary Ann Symes.

 

22.1 John Symes (1814-1838)

John was baptised on 26 Feb 1815 at Kingston (Canford Magna), but probably born in 1814. According to his baptism record, his father GGGGF John Symes b1781, was a dairyman. In 1833 John junior's younger brother Charles died at the age of 9. This would have had a big impact on John and he later named his first born child 'Charles' in honour of his deceased brother. At some stage John b1814 moved 6 miles to Gussage All Saints and met and later married Maria Whitlock (1815-1901).

John Symes married Maria Whitlock 24 Sep 1835 at Gussage Alls Saints

 

The wedding took place on 24 Sep 1835 at Gussage All Saints. Both John 21 and Maria 21 signed the wedding registration which indicated a level of education. The couple settled in Horton and on 25 Oct 1836 they had their first child who they named Charles Symes. John was listed as a blacksmith.

John Symes 21 married blacksmith from Horton with one child gaoled for "stealing coals" 

On 14 Jan 1837 John 21, was sent to Dorchester Prison for 14 day's hard labour and was privately whipped! His crime was "stealing coals". The prison record listed him as a blacksmith (like his father), living at Horton and married with one child. This event occurred in mid winter, and as a blacksmith John would have had access to coals for the forge. He possibly was doing his best to ensure his wife and young family had fuel for the winter. His physical description was height 5 ft. 5 inches, dark hair, dark hazel eyes and fair complexion. The spell in jail may have severely damaged his health because within twelve months he had contracted typhoid and on 26 Jan 1838 he seems to have died at home and was buried at Horton at the young age of 23.

John’s widowed wife Maria Symes nee Whitlock was left with two young children to care for; Charles Symes born in 1836 (baptised 25 Oct at Horton cum Woodlands), before John was imprisoned, and baby James Symes who was born at around the time of John’s death. (Birth registered Jan 1838, Wimborne). Things were looking up, when aged 25, Maria Symes nee Whitlock met and married a young bachelor named William Shears 22, on 24 Dec 1840 at Wimborne. Once again both parties signed the wedding registration with Maria signing as Maria Syms. However a few months later in April 1841 she and young son James were living in Wimborne Workhouse (a facility for the destitute). Her new husband was serving a six month jail sentence in Dorchester prison for larceny. The whereabouts of son Charles Symes is unknown at this time, but he was back with the family in 1851.

At first sight it seems that Maria had a weakness for men of questionable character. However, there is quite likely much more to the story than that. If their families were in dire straits, it may have driven both husbands to commit criminal acts, out of desperation. Being a blacksmith, John would have had an opportunity to ‘steal coals’ from his employer. It was mid-winter when he was jailed and the family may have been suffering from the cold. The fact that he was whipped as part of his punishment gives a clue as to the lack of compassion of his employer. Likewise Maria’s second husband, William, may have stolen to provide his family with the necessities of life too.

 

After 1841, Maria and her second husband William seemed to settle into a fairly regular family life. Maria went on to have seven more children by William, and she died at Hinton Martel in 1901, aged 85.

22.2 William Symes/Simms (1817-1856)

William was baptised on 26 Jan 1817 at Shapwick. As with his older brother's baptism, his father GGGGF John Symes was listed as a dairyman on the baptismal registration. His brother Benjamin was also born in Shapwick in 1919, but the family moved to Horton for the birth of sister GGGM Rose Elizabeth Symes in 1822 and the rest of his siblings that followed. 

Baptism of William Symes, son of John & Rose Symes nee Hayter on 26 Jan 1817 at Shapwick

 

The 1839-41 electoral register listed William Symes (Sims) as a resident of Holt (3 miles from Horton) and having freehold ownership of a house and land, not far from brother Benjamin Symes. The 1841 census had William 23 blacksmith, living alone at Britain St., Portsea Town, Hampshire. Portsea is a shipyard precinct about 50 miles from Holt. William may have temporarily moved there for work opportunities.

William Symes blacksmith, resident of Portsea, married Mary Ann Rimand on 23 Aug 1842 at Tarrant Keyneston

 

On 29 Aug 1842 William 25 ("a blacksmith of the Parish of Portsea") married Mary Jane Rimand b1816 in her home town of Tarrant Keyneston. Both signed the marriage registration. As Mary’s father was William Rimand (d1862), blacksmith of Tarrant Keyneston, it is most likely that William, also a blacksmith, met Mary Jane through working with her father (perhaps they had been working at Portsea together). Witnesses to the wedding were Thomas Rimand and Elizabeth Collette Loader. According to the marriage registration, William’s father (John Symes) was working as a pipemaker, which probably involved his skills as a blacksmith.

NOTE: Witness Elizabeth Collett Loader (b1824 Blandford Forum) was the daughter of Thomas Loader and Mary Ann Collett. Thomas, a widower, married Mary Ann at Blanford in 1814. Thomas made his mark, but Mary Ann signed her name. The three witnesses at their wedding had the surname Linter? Elizabeth's relationship to our Loaders is unknown, but she was probably a friend of Mary Jane's.

William and Mary Jane Symes nee Rimand settled in Portsea to have their family. In 1851 William Symes (spelt Sims) 34 dock labourer (b1817 Poole?), Mary J Symes 35 (b1816 Blandford), Louisa Rimand Symes 7 (b1843, bapt 11 Aug 1844), Sarah Elizabeth Symes 5 (b13 Nov 1845, bapt 4 Apr 1847) and William Walter Symes (Simms) 2 (baptised 28 Apr 1850, died 1852) were living at 26 Vollens? St, Portsea. (All children were born at Portsea). The birth of another son, John Edwin Sims was registered at Portsea in Jan 1854.

No more is known of William and Mary Jane Symes nee Rimand’s lives, but it appears that they both died in the 1850's. The death of Mary Jane Sims is registered at Portsea in last quarter of 1852. However this conflicts with the birth of her last child, John Edwin. An explanation of this contradiction could be that Mary Jane died in childbirth (aged 36) at the end of 1852 and her baby was survived. Her husband may have been so overcome with grief that he neglected to register the birth until just over 12 months after the death of his wife. (He also was late with the baptism of his first born child ; see above). There is evidence that William's health was very poor, in that he died in his early forties at Portsea in 1856. 

 

Children of William Symes (1817-1856) & Mary Jane Rimand (1816-1852)

Their children had to make their own way in life from a young age, but avilable records are rather sparse

 

Son William Walter Symes died as an infant in the same year that his mother died (Apr 1852)

In 1861 Sarah Symes 15 and younger brother John Edwin Symes 7 were visiting their aunt Elizabeth Samson nee Rimand (Mary Jane's sister) and her family in Spetisbury, Dorset. John E Symes 17 (really 18), carpenter's assistant, was still living with his aunt in 1871, but their residence was the 'Railway Inn' Spetisbury, where his aunt and uncle (a carpenter) were the inn keepers. Sarah Symes (spelt Simms) 28 was living alone at 16 St Mary's St, Landport, Portsea and worked as a bonnet maker. 

John Edward Symes married Agnes Pearcy at Salisbury in 1878

On 20 Nov 1876 son John Edward Symes married Agnes Fanny Pearcy and his father was listed as William Symes, blacksmith. They were listed as "both of this parish" so John had been a resident of Salisbury for some time. A witness at the wedding was John's older sister Sarah Symes b1846. The marriage was held at St Edmunds, Salisbury. By 1881 they had two children and John was a fruiterer in his shop in Castle St, Salisbury. John died a few years later in 1884 with his age listed as 31 (his correct age).

22.3 Benjamin Symes (1819-1899)

Benjamin ("son of John and Rose Symes") was baptised on 23 Jan 1819 at Shapwick, but possibly born in 1818. His father John Symes was described as a labourer. Benjamin moved to Horton with his family for the birth of sister Rose in 1822, and the rest of his siblings that followed. The Electoral roll for 1831-1840 listed Benjamin as a resident of the Holt area (about 2m from Horton) and having freehold ownership of a house and land, but this was more than likely a relative; probably an uncle. The 1841 census listed Benjamin 20 (really 21 or 22), as living with his parents (in their sixties) at Horton Heath and his occupation was given as labourer.

Benjamin Symes labourer married Mary Ann Hebditch 1 Jun 1848 at Wimborne

 

On 1 June 1848 Benjamin married Mary Ann Hebditch 20 (she was not yet at the age of consent which was 21). Mary Ann had been born at Holt. The wedding took place in Wimborne, where they were both resident at the time. Both made their mark, so presumably were unable to sign their names. Benjamin and his father’s occupations were given as labourer (although they may have ‘laboured' in the field of blacksmithing because other documents list them as ‘smiths’). The witnesses at the wedding were sister GGGM Rose Elizabeth Symes and George Seviour, who was a neighbour of the family (and possibly the father of Rose Symes's illegitimate daughter, Frances Symes b1845). See 20.4a.

 

There was no listing for the family at the 1851 census, but during the previous decade Benjamin and Mary Ann had two babies. Charles William Symes was born to Benjamin Symes blacksmith and wife Mary Ann Symes on 16 Dec 1848 at Horton. Ann Eliza Symes (daughter of Benjamin Symes, blacksmith and Mary Ann Symes) was baptised on 1 Sep 1850 at the Holt Chapel, Parish of Wimborne. They named their first child 'Charles' after Benjamin's deceased brother who had died in 1833 at the age of 9.

1861 Census:  Living at Horton Heath were Benjamin Symes 42, blacksmith, Mary Ann & 5 children

 

In 1861 Benjamin 42, blacksmith and Mary Ann Symes nee Hebdich 35 were living in Horton St, Horton Heath, along with their children Charles 13, Ann 11 [she later went by her middle name 'Eliza'], Benjamin 9, Eliza 7 (an error by the enumerator-should read Eli) and Henry John Symes 3.

There is a mystery surrounding Benjamin's children Eliza and Eli. The 1861 census clearly names Eliza Symes as being 7 (i.e. born in 1854), but a baptism record lists Eli Symes as being baptised on 18 Sep 1854 and there is no baptism record for Eliza, apart from her older sister Ann Eliza. Eli was not mentioned in the 1861 census but was listed in later censuses. My interpretation of these conflicting records is that Eli was born in 1854 but incorrectly entered on the 1861 census by the enumerator as 'Eliza'. Eliza Symes was actually Ann Eliza Symes born 1850 and in the census she was listed by her first name 'Ann'.

 

On 25 Feb 1867, daughter Ann Eliza Symes, 18 (really 17 or less), married Amos Ferret, labourer at Horton. On the marriage registration, Benjamin was listed as being a blacksmith. As his daughter was legally underage, he signed as a witness to show that she had his approval to get married. In 1871 they were probably at the same house but it was described as Heath Rd., Horton and most children had moved out, leaving Benjamin 52 blacksmith and Mary Ann Symes nee Hebdich 44 and Henry 12. There were two more weddings in the 1870's. In 1874 son Benjamin (Ben) married Mary Ann Davis in London and in 1876 son Charles married Fanny Jane Reeks at Gussage All Saints. Benjamin was listed as a (black)smith in both instances.

In 1876 son Charles Symes (Sims) blacksmith married Fanny Jane Reeks at Gussage All Saints

 

Benjamin's family were listed at Horton Heath again in 1881 (surname spelt Sims) and the household consisted of  Benjamin Symes 62 blacksmith, Mary Ann Symes 52, youngest son Henry John Symes 23 coachman, daughter-in-law Edith E. Symes 26 and grandson George T. Symes 6 months. They were at the same address in 1891, but this time Benjamin 72 (still a blacksmith) and Mary Ann 62 were living alone.

Wolfrida Church and graveyard, Horton

Mary Ann Symes nee Hebditch died 18 Feb 1893 aged 63, and Benjamin Symes died 14 Mar 1897 aged 78. Benjamin and Mary Ann were buried in the churchyard of St Wolfrida's Church, Horton. A somewhat large stone was erected to commemorate both their deaths. The stone is situated to the right just as you enter the small gate to the churchyard from the main Horton Road. Benjamin was a well-known blacksmith (as was his father) and he is mentioned on the website ‘Blacksmiths of Dorset’. Benjamin's son Charles continued on the family occupation (third generation) of being a blacksmith.

22.4 GGGM Rose Elizabeth Symes (1822-1883)

Rose (aka Elizabeth Rose Symes) was the fourth child, and first daughter of GGGGP John Symes, blacksmith and Rose Elizabeth Symes nee Hayter. She was born in Horton and baptised on 13 Jan 1822 after the family moved there around 1820. The 1841 census listed Rose (then 19), as living with her parents and brothers Benjamin and James at Horton Heath. In her twenties she had two children out of wedlock. Both her parents died before she turned 30 leaving her to raise her young children alone. In 1851 she had a relationship with GGGF James Smith Loader whom she married and had together they had four children. See 11.1 for more information about their married life.

22.5 Charles Symes (1824-1833)

Charles was baptised on 28 Mar 1824 at Horton with parents listed as John Symes, blacksmith and Rose Elizabeth Symes nee Hayter. Sadly he died at the age of 9 and was buried at Horton on 5 Jun 1833.

22.6 James Symes (1827-1887)

James was baptised on 5 Mar 1827 at Horton, Wimborne with parents listed as John Symes, blacksmith and Rose Elizabeth Symes nee Hayter. Two of his older brothers died while he was quite young; Charles died in 1833 at the age of 9 and John in 1838 at the age of 23. At the time of the 1841 census James lived with his parents in Horton and was aged 14. James' father, blacksmith John Symes died in 1848, then in Jan 1851 his mother GGGGM Rose Symes nee Hayter died. So by the age of 24 he had lost two older brothers and two parents which must have impacted greatly on him.

James Symes (Sims) married his cousin Caroline Hayter in 1849 at Longfleet Poole.

On 5 Oct 1849 at the age of 22, James married a cousin Caroline Hayter (daughter of his mother’s brother William Hayter-see 31.4a) at Longfleet, Poole. He gave his occupation as labourer. James and Caroline were both residing in Longfleet, Poole prior to their marriage. Caroline was six years older than James and she signed her name, but James made his ‘mark’. They named their fathers as John Symes, blacksmith and William Hayter, labourer.
There are no more records relating to James and Caroline Symes nee Hayter. The most likely explanation is that they emigrated to Australia, New Zealand or the U.S. and as they did not appear on the 1851 census they would have done so before then. More research is needed in this area.

23.0 GGGGGF John Symes (1743-1781) 

 John's b1743 marriage to Sarah Lovelace joined the Lovelace family tree to our tree. Due to the fact that there were several John Symes living in the area at this time the information in this chapter needs to be verified. More research is needed to clarify who were members of our Symes family in Powerstock.

23.1 GGGGGF John Symes (1743-1781) & Sarah Lovelace (1754-1813)

John was born on 30 Dec 1743 and baptised on 31 Jan 1744 at Powerstock to parents GGGGGGP John and Mary Symes (maiden name unknown).

At the age of 26, his first marriage was to Anne Whittell of Powerstock (b1743) on 19 Aug 1770. The wedding was registered in the parish of Poorstock (later named Powerstock). Ann Symes nee Whittell died one year later on 4 Jun 1771 (death registered at Powerstock) very soon after the birth of their only son, Joseph, who was baptised privately on 12 Apr 1771.

GGGGGP John Symes  widower married Sarah Lovelace, spinster  21 May 1778. Both were "of this parish"'

GGGGGF John Symes (1743-1781) second marriage to Sarah Lovelace (1754-1813)

John’s second marriage (when John was listed as a widower aged 34), was to GGGGGM Sarah Lovelace aged 24 on 21 May 1778. John signed his name but Sarah made her mark.  One of the witnesses was James Salisbury who had married Elizabeth Lovelace (Sarah's sister?) earlier in Jan 1778 and GGGGGF John Symes was a witness at his wedding.

The Powerstock Parish Records listed seven children born to 'John and Sarah Symes' between 1777 and 1786. See below:-

It appears that there were two 'John and Sarah Symes' living in the village at this time because children attributed to 'John and Sarah Symes' include two Johns (born 1781 and 1785, and we know that the former one survived to adulthood) and there were two children born at different times in the same year. As there is no way of telling which children belong to which couple, any research going back in this line becomes unreliable. See 24.0 for information on each of the above children. The date of GGGGGF John Symes death is thought to be 1781.

GGGGGM Sarah Symes nee Lovelace aged 60 died in 1813 and was buried on 7 Nov 1813 at Poorstock.

23.2 GGGGGGP John Symes c1710 & Mary Stephens? (1706-?) Parents of John Symes b1743

There is less confusion with the parents of  John b1743 as there appears to have only been one couple named John and Mary Symes at this time. John was born on 30 Dec 1743 and baptised on 31 Jan 1744 at Powerstock to parents GGGGGGP John and Mary Symes (maiden name unknown). His parents, John and Mary Symes, would have been married around 1835 but no marriage record has been found.

The following children are listed in the parish record as being born to  GGGGGGP John (c1720) and Mary Symes or Syms, in Powerstock at around this time; William Stephen Syms baptised Jan 1737, Elizabeth Stephen Syms bMay 1738, John Symes bSep 1739 (died as infant?), Thomas Symes bJan 1741 and GGGGGF John Symes born Dec 1743. As these children were all born consecutively with a two year gap between each birth they are probably siblings. The first two babies were christened with the middle name 'Stephens' which suggests that John's wife, Mary, had the surname Stephens.

Mary Ann Stephens daughter of Samuel & Mary Stephens baptised in Swyre 29 Jun 1706

There was a Mary Ann Stephens baptised in Powerstock on 29 June 1706 to parents Samuel and Mary Stephens. She would have been aged 30 when she had her first baby named William in 1736, and 37 when she had her last baby GGGGGF John Symes  in Dec 1743, so she fits well.

Taking the above details into account both GGGGGGP John and Mary Symes (nee Stephens) would have died sometime after 1743.

23.3 Other men named John Symes in Powerstock

There were several men other men named 'John Symes' in Powerstock at this time. The marriage register includes; 1751 John Symes married  Mary Hansford; 1756 John Symes married Elizabeth Pitman and 1784 John Symes (with a distinctive signature) married Elizabeth Blaidon. All these were married well after the birth of GGGGGF John Symes b1743

23.4 Poorstock or Powerstock? (Wikipedia)

Powerstock is a village and civil parish in south west Dorset, situated in a steep valley on the edge of the Dorset Downs, 5 miles (8.0 km) north-east of the market town of Bridport. The civil parish includes the village of West Milton to the west. Powerstock village contains many cottages and two inns.

The name Poorstock comes from the distant past when the common of Poorwood became Poorstock royal forest after King John purchased the manor and deer park in 1208.The origins of the name Powerstock have not been fully determined. According to one source, the name was 'Poorstock' until the Bridport Railway was built through the village in 1857, when the change to Powerstock was made.

23.5 Ancestors of GGGGGM Sarah Lovelace (1754-1813)

Sarah Lovelace was born on 31 Oct 1754 at Corscombe, Dorset (about 8 miles from Powerstock) to GGGGGGP James Lovelace b1730 and Rachel Hill b30 Oct 1733..

Bottom entry: Sarah Lovelace, daughter of James & Rachel Lovelace was baptised at Corscombe 31 Oct 1754

23.6 GGGGGGF James Lovelace (?-1764) & Rachel Hill (1733-1772)

Sarah Lovelace's parents were James and Rachel Lovelace nee Hill. GGGGGGF James Lovelace was probably born in the early 1700's and his parents may have been James and Ann Lovelace. GGGGGGM Rachel Hill seems to have been born over 30 miles away at Tarrant Hinton on 30 Oct 1733. Her parents were GGGGGGGP Richard Hill & Susannah Unknown. Rachel had at least one sister Mary Hill born in 1731. As there were no other children born to the couple in Tarrant Hinton, the Hill family may have moved to the Corscombe area after the birth of their two daughters.

GGGGGGP James Lovelace & Rachel Hill were married on 25 Sep 1751 at Corscombe.

 James and Rachel Lovelace nee Hill 18, were married at Corscombe on 25 Sep 1751.

GGGGGGF James Lovelace "the elder" was buried at Corscombe on 25 Apr 1764.

GGGGGGM Rachel Hill nee Lovelace aged 39 died on 14 Nov 1772 at Corscombe.

24.0 Children of GGGGGP John Symes (1743-1781) & Sarah Lovelace (1754-1813)

John’s second marriage to GGGGGM Sarah Lovelace occurred on 21 May 1778 and their likely children are marked with an *. The children listed in the parish records as being born to a ‘John and Sarah Symes were:-

24.1 Robert Symes (1777-?)

Robert was baptised on 5 Oct 1777 to John and Sarah Symes. He married Betsy Conway on 26 Jun 1811 at Powerstock. He is unlikely to be a son of GGGGGP John and Sarah Symes nee Lovelace because they were not married until the following year.

24.2 Elizabeth Symes (1779-?) *

Elizabeth was baptised on 30 May 1779 to John and Sarah Symes. She married William Symes at Powerstock on 1 May 1810. She was probably the first child born to GGGGGP John and  Sarah Symes nee Lovelace, as her baptism was eleven months after their marriage. She was probably born a month or two before this.

24.3 Sarah Symes (1781-?)

Sarah was baptised on 22 Mar 1781 to John and Sarah Symes. She is unlikely to be a daughter of GGGGGP John and Sarah Symes nee Lovelace as her birth was too close to brother John Symes b1781.

24.4 GGGGF John Symes (1781-1848) *

John was baptised on 1 July 1781 at Powerstock. John is likely to have been the first born son of GGGGGP John and Sarah Symes nee Lovelace as his birth was roughly two years after his older sister Elizabeth, and as the first born son, he was given his father’s forename, which was a common practice at the time.

24.5 Other children with the surname ‘Symes’

The children listed in the Parish Record below are probably not the offspring of GGGGGP John and Sarah Symes nee Lovelace as GGGGGF John Symes probably died in 1781. They must have been born to another couple named John and Sarah Symes. (There were many Symes families in Powerstock at the time).

•Mary Symes baptised on 23 Feb 1783 to John and Sarah Symes

•Joseph Symes baptised on 4 July 1784. Unlikely to be a son because GGGGGF John Symes had another son named Joseph by his first wife Ann Whittle who may or may not have survived

•John Symes baptised on 9 Feb 1785 unliklely to be a son, as the first GGGGF John Symes b1781 survived childhood (see 24.4).

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PART 4: HAYTER FAMILY TREE

The Hayter family joined our family tree through the marriage of GGGGM Rose Hayter to GGGGF John Symes and their daughter GGGM Rose Elizabeth Symes who married GGGF James Smith Loader. Our Hayter family relatives, mostly lived on the edge of the New Forest in Hampshire in the villages and towns of Harbridge, Fordingbridge and Ibsley. Very little is known about their occupations, but some appear to have had freehold ownership of small plots of land and were reasonably well off. Several were prominent members of their community.

1911 map showing Fordingbridge, Ibsley and Harbridge on the edge of The New Forest

The name Hayter had its origins in the English counties of Hampshire, Dorset, and Wiltshire. It derived from the Middle English word 'heyt' meaning summit or height and described someone who lived at the top of a hill or on a piece of raised ground (Wikipedia). Two websites that are excellent sources of information about the Hayter Families of Hampshire are:-

• http://www.knightroots.co.uk/
• https://vectisjon.com/familyhistory/

30.0 Ancestors of GGGGM Rose (Rosanna) Hayter (1782-1851)

GGGGM Rose Hayter was born on 8 Sept 1782 at Ibsley Hampshire to GGGGGP Thomas Hayter and Elizabeth Moyle. At the age of 32 on 14 Feb 1814, GGGGM Rose Hayter married GGGGF John Symes at Wimborne Minster (see 31.1 for Rose's early life and 21.0 for her married life). The Baker Family Tree web site (www.vectisjon.com/familyhistory/ ) has detailed information and lists of sources relating to the Hayters of Harbridge. 

30.1 GGGGGP Thomas Hayter (1758-1840) & Elizabeth Moyle (1758-1826)

Click this link to see the Descendants of  GGGGGP Thomas Hayter b1758 & Elizabeth Moyle

Thomas Hayter was born on 5 Mar 1758 at Harbridge, Hampshire to GGGGGGP William Hayter (1717-1781) and Mary Ballard (1727-1780) (see 32.0) . Elizabeth Moyle was also born around 1758 about 1 mile away in Ibsley, Hampshire. Thomas married Elizabeth Moyle on 21 Oct 1781 at Ibsley. (See Baker Family History Site) Elizabeth Moyle may have been related to Mary Moyle who married Thomas’ brother. From the birth of their children it appears GGGGGP Thomas and Elizabeth Hayter nee Moyle lived in Ibsley most of their lives. Their children were GGGGM Rose Elizabeth Hayter b1782, Elizabeth Hayter b1785, Stephen Hayter b1787, William Hayter b1788 and Abi Hayter b1795. 
GGGGGP Thomas and Elizabeth Hayter nee Moyle moved about ten miles to Hampreston in the early 1800's with their adult children. It was this move that enabled daughter GGGGM Rosanna Hayter to meet and marry her future husband GGGGF John Symes in 1814. Son William Hayter married his wife in Hampreston in 1811.

Elizabeth Hayter nee Moyle "wife of Thomas Hayter" burial in Hampreston 1826

Thomas Hayter was buried in Hampreston in 1840. The note on the right is is the number of burials that occurred in 1840

GGGGGM Elizabeth Hayter nee Moyle 69, "wife of Thomas Hayter" died in 1826. GGGGGF Thomas Hayter aged 82 died in 1840. Both were buried at Hampreston.

31.0 Five Children of GGGGGP Thomas Hayter (1758-1840) & Elizabeth Moyle (c1758-1826)   UPDATED DEC 2018

31.1 GGGGM Rose (Rosanna) Elizabeth Hayter (1782-1851)

Rose Elizabeth Hayter was baptised in Ibsley 8 Sep 1782. She spent her childhood in Ibsley (where all her siblings were born), but the family seem to have moved to Hampreston by the early 1800's. At the age of 32, she married blacksmith GGGGF John Symes b1781 at Wimborne (3 miles from Hampreston) in 1814 (See 21.0). Both parties were listed as being 'of Wimborne Parish', so the family moved to Dorset many years before the marriage. See 21.0 for details of her married life and children.
When Rose and Joihn Symes' daughter, GGGM Rose Elizabeth Symes b1822, married GGGF James Smith Loader,  the Symes family were connected to the Loader tree (See 11.0 for Rose's married life) GGGGM Rose Symes nee Hayter aged 68, was buried in Horton on 18 Jan 1851.

GGGGM Rose Elizabeth Symes nee Hayter was buried at Horton in 1851

31.2 Elizabeth Hayter (1785-1861)

Elizabeth was baptised on 2 Jan 1785 at Ibsley, Hampshire and named after her mother. She spent her childhood in Ibsley (where all her siblings were born), but the family had moved to Hampreston by the early 1800's. In 1841 she was a single woman aged 55 living in Hampreston in a household consisting of John Dean 65 lab, Ambrose Sparks 80 shoemaker, Elizabeth Hayter 55 female servant, David Bryant 25 ag lab and two of her married sister's children; Joseph Ware 20 ag lab and Fanny Ware 15.

By 1851 she was a 66 year old working in the ‘Parish Relief House’ as a servant and had moved into the family home of her niece Fanny Applin nee Ware, who was the daughter of her sister Abi Ware nee Hayter (See 31.5). Living in the West Parley house at that time were Henry Applin 26 coachman and Fanny Applin 25, and their children Henry Applin 4 and Anna Applin 2 along with Henry’s sister Jane Ware 21. West Parley was about 10 miles from Ibsley. West Parley is 3 miles from Hampreston where some of Elizabeth's siblings lived.

1851: Elizabeth Hayter (5th entry) Unmarried 66 year old aunt born in Ibsley. Occupation:servant in Parish Relief House

The situation was much the same in 1861, when their address is given as ‘The Rectory', West Parley. By then Elizabeth was 76, unmarried, and her occupation was given as ‘formerly a nurse’. Elizabeth was still living with niece Fanny Applin 36, her husband Henry Applin 36, domestic servant, and their five children. Elizabeth Hayter never married. She probably died in the earlier 1860's, but a reliable burial record has not been found.

31.3 Stephen Hayter (1787-?)

Stephen was baptised on 4 Mar 1787 at Ibsley, Hampshire. As no other records about his life can be found, he possibly died as a child.

31.4 William Hayter (1788-1849) 

William was baptised on 14 Dec 1788 at Ibsley. He spent his childhood in Ibsley (where all his siblings were born), but the family had moved to Hampreston by the early 1800's. He had lived in Hampreston (about 10 miles from Ibsley) for many years, because his marriage registration listed him  as "of this Parish". It was in Hampreston that he met local girl, Mary Ann King (1789-1835). On 14 Jul 1811 at Hampreston, Wimborne, William Hayter 23 year old bachelor married Mary Ann King 22. A witness to the wedding was Samuel King (possibly Mary Ann’s brother). Neither William nor Mary Ann signed their names.

Marriage of William Hayter to Mary Ann King in Hampreston in 1811

The couple settled in Hampreston where their first five children were born. Their first child was a daughter born in 1812, who they named Rose Ann after William's sister GGGGM Rose (Rosanna) Elizabeth Hayter (1782-1851). Sadly the daughter died as an infant only two months old. The following year on 2 Aug 1813 baby Harriot Hayter was born. Their third child, also a daughter, born 2 Jul 1815 was named Rose Ann after her deceased older sister (perhaps as a way of dealing with the grief from the loss of their earlier child). The next two babies were both named Charles Hayter. The first of these, b1 Jun 1817, died at the age of six months in that same year. The second was born on 29 Nov 1818. For an unknown reason William and Mary Ann became disenchanted with the established church (Church of England) and looked around for an alternative.

Longham Congregational Chapel

A group of people in nearby Longham had also rejected the 'Established Church' and became known as "dissenters". They began by meeting in a local cottage as an 'outreach' group from the Congregational Church in Skinner Street, Poole. By 1819 they had built their own chapel in Longham and their congregation was growing. In April 1841 the foundation stone for the present day Independent Chapel of Longham was laid and just eight months later on 29 December 1841 the building was opened.

Congregational Independent Meeting House in Skinner Street, Poole with an early Pastor

During 1819 William and his family had a 'religious conversion'. They started attending the Non-Conformist or Non Parochial Church either in Longham (one mile from Hampreston) or Poole (seven miles from Hampreston). The baptisms for William's next five children were registered at the Congregational Independent Meeting House in Skinner Street, Poole. The birth dates for the final five babies were Caroline Hayter b6  May 1821, Samuel Hayter b15 May 1823, Elizabeth Hayter b15 Dec 1824, John King Hayter b27 May 1827 and Eliza Hayter b17 Nov 1831. The children may have been born in Hampreston and baptised at Longham, with the record kept at Poole. Alternatively the family may have made the seven mile trip to Poole on 'church' days. These later baptisms all listed William Hayter "of Hampreston and Mary Anne his wife". Interestingly, later on most burials and some marriages in the family, were carried out under the auspices of the Church of England.

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NOTE: Several generations later, our branch of the Loaders were 'Baptists', and William and Mary Ann Hayter may have been the couple that started the move away from the 'Established Church'

Bottom Entry: William's wife Mary Ann Hayter nee King was buried in Hampreston in 1835

Mary Ann Hayter nee King died at the young age of 45 and was buried at Hampreston 12 Feb 1835, leaving William to look after his family which included four children under the age of ten.

1841 census showing the widowed William living with six of his unmarried children in Hampreston

In 1841 William Hayter 50 (really 53) was a widowed agricultural labourer living with five of his children in Hampreston. The children living with him were Rose Hayter 25 (the second child called Rose), Caroline Hayter 20, Elizabeth Hayter 15 b1824, John King Hayter 15, Eliza Hayter 10 and Samuel Hayter 15 (all ages have been rounded down). William Hayter aged 62 died and was buried 24 Feb 1849 at Hampreston with the burial registered in the Church of England record. (See below)
There are not many records telling of what happened to William and Mary Ann Hayter nee King's children. Daughter Eliza married Henry Tiller and from 1871 to 1881 her sister Rose Ann Hayter was living with her family in Holdenhurst, Hampshire.

William Hayter aged 62 was buried in Hampreston on 24 Feb 1849

31.4a Caroline Hayter (1820-?)

Caroline was born to William and Mary Ann Hayter on 6 May 1820 in Hampreston, Dorset, and baptised on the 1 July 1821. There was no christian name listed for her, so at the time of her baptism her parents had not yet decided on a name (or the minister had forgotten it by the time he came to write it down). The latter explanation is likely because there was another christening on the same day for the King family (perhaps a brother of Mary Anne Hayter nee King) and that baby was also missing a christian name. See below.

Bottom: (Caroline) Hayter born 6 May, baptised 1 Jul 1821. Parents:William Hayter of Hampreston & Mary Anne his wife

In 1841 the family resided in Hampreston and consisted of William Hayter 50 labourer and children Rose Hayter 25, Caroline Hayter 20, Elizabeth Hayter 15, John Hayter 15, Eliza Hayter 10 and Samuel Hayter 15 (ages rounded down). During the 1840's Caroline moved to Longfleet where she was resident at the time of her marriage.

Eight months after her father's death, Caroline Hayter 29 (b1820 at Hampreston), married her cousin James Symes b1827 (see 22.6), at Longfleet, Poole on 5 Oct 1849. James signed the marriage registration with 'his mark' but Caroline signed her name. Caroline’s father William Hayter was recorded as being a labourer. No further records about Caroline have been found. The most likely explanation for their 'disappearance from the records is migration. They did not appear on the 1851 census, so as was quite common at the time, they possibly migrated to Canada, Australia, New Zealand or U.S. but no records have been found to support this contention yet.

31.5 Abi Hayter (1795-1870) 

Abi was baptised on 30 Aug 1795 at Ibsley. She spent her childhood in Ibsley (where all her siblings were born), but the family had moved to Hampreston by the early 1800's. She had lived in Hampreston (about 10 miles from Ibsley) for many years, because her marriage registration listed her  as "of this Parish".
At the age of 23 on 12 Jul 1818 Abi married the widowed and much older, Ralph Ware 42 (1775-1842), whose previous wife, Elizabeth Garland, had died the year before, just after she gave birth to her seventh baby. They were married at Hampreston and neither signed the registration. Witnesses at the wedding were sister Elizabeth Hayter and Charles Hayter (possibly a cousin), who both signed their names.

Abi Hayter married Ralph Ware widower in 1818 at Hampreston

When she married, Abi gained an ‘instant family’ of three boys and four girls ranging in age from 1 to 13. Later that year, she gave birth to her first baby Joseph Ware; and over the next few years Edward Ware 1820, Fanny Ware 1824, Thomas Ware 1826 and Jane Ware 1829 followed. It would have been a very crowded house.

By 1841 most of the older children had left home (Joseph and Fanny Ware were living with, or visiting, sister Elizabeth; see above), leaving Ralph Ware 65 ag lab, Abi Ware 45 and children Edward Ware 20, Thomas Ware 14 and Jane Ware 12 living at Longham, Hampreston. Ralph Ware died on the 30 Aug 1846 at Longham aged 72.

Two  of Abi Ware nee Hayter's children were married one month apart. Ralph Ware was listed as the father at both weddings

A few months after their father's death, two of the 'Ware' children were married in Hampreston. First was Fanny who had been residing at Little Canford. She married Henry Applin in Dec 1846 and then younger brother Thomas aged 20, married Mary Ann Monkton on 24 Jan 1847. Eldest son Joseph, a widowed carpenter, married his second wife, Maria Ford a few years later in 1850 in Great Canford. This time father Ralph Ware was listed as deceased.
Now a widow, Abi Ware nee Hayter 55 was living alone in 1851 at Longham and did ‘outdoor work’ to support herself. In 1855 daughter Jane Ware married John Troke in West Parley. Her sister fanny was a witness. By 1861 aged 66, Abi had moved to Holdenhurst to live with her daughter Jane Troke nee Ware 31 needlewoman and her husband John Troke 31 ‘carter’.

Abi Ware nee Hayter b1795 was buried at Hampreston 13 Nov 1870 aged 76

Abi Ware nee Hayter died on the 13 Nov 1870 at Holdenhurst and was buried at Hampreston aged 76.

32.0 GGGGGGP William Hayter (1718-1781) & Mary Ballard (1727-1780)

GGGGGF Thomas Hayter’s parents were GGGGGGP William Hayter b1718 and Mary Ballard. GGGGGGF William Hayter was probably born in 1718 and baptised on 4 Mar 1718 at Cranborne in Dorset to parents GGGGGGGP William Hayter and Ann Sutton (see 35.0).

Top Entry: Baptism of Wm (William) Hayter; son of William Hayter & his wife, 4 Mar 1718 at Cranborne

GGGGGGM Mary Ballard was born in Harbridge and baptised on 27 Jan 1727 by parents  GGGGGGGP Thomas and Elizabeth Ballard (probably Dymott), about 6 miles from Cranborne. The parish records also show Mary's older sister Elizabeth Ballard b17 Apr 1726 and future sister-in-law Grace Hayter b1728 (sister of husband William Hayter).

Extract from Harbridge Parish Record showing baptism of Elizabeth Ballard (top) and sister Mary Ballard

William Hayter b1718 married Mary Ballard on 25 Mar 1744 at Ringwood, Hampshire, nine miles from Cranborne. The couple settled in Harbridge, four miles from their marriage location and had ten children, all of whom were born in Harbridge between 1746 and 1764.

The Parish Burial Record listed William Hayter (b1718) as having died at Harbridge on 12 Dec 1781 aged 62 and Mary Hayter nee Ballard having died 4 Aug 1780 and buried on 7 Aug 1780 at Harbridge. However, there is a grave with a memorial inscription that reads  “William Hayter d7 Dec 1778 aged 63 & wife Mary died 7 Aug 1780, aged 53 & daughter Abi died 28 Aug 1779 aged 19” (b1760). This information confirms details re Mary and Abi, but differs with the year of death  for William (although his age is correct). As the gravestone was carved sometime after the last of the burials, could the carver made an error with his numbers?

33.0 Ten Children of GGGGGGP William Hayter (1718-1781) & Mary Ballard (1727-1780)

William and Mary had 10 children who were all baptised in Harbridge, Hampshire and mostly lived and died in Harbridge or nearby towns. The Baker Family Tree web site (www.vectisjon.com/familyhistory/) has detailed information and lists of sources relating to the Hayters of Harbridge.

33.1 William Hayter (1746-1832)

William was born on 29 Nov 1746 Harbridge and named after his father. He married Mary Moyle (1744-1788) on 5 Jun 1770 at Harbridge. Banns were read in Harbridge for "William Hayter of Harbridge, bachelor, and Mary Moyle of the Parish of Ibsley, spinster on 6, 13 & 20 May 1770".

Mary Moyle may have been related to GGGGGM Elizabeth Moyle who was the wife of brother GGGGGF Thomas Hayter (see 30.1).

William and Mary had five sons including William Hayter (farmer of 29 acres) baptised on 28 Jun 1771 and died on 1 May 1852 aged 80, John Moyle Hayter baptised on 10 Mar 1772, Henery Hayter baptised on 29 May 1775 and died 7 May 1842 aged 66 years, Thomas Hayter baptised on 23 Jan 1780 and Arthur Hayter b.1785 and died 1852 aged 67 years.
Mary Hayter nee Moyle died at the young age of 44 on Oct 17 1788. The Ibsley Poll book of 1806 listed William Hayter of Harbridge and William Hayter Jnr of Ibsley, who would have been William Hayter b1746 and his son William Hayter b1771. William Hayter b1746 was a respected member of the community and clerk of the Parish of Harbridge (for more than 50 years) until his death at the age of 82 years in 1832. He was buried at Harbridge on the 17 Feb 1832 alongside his wife who had died many years earlier. The gravestone inscription reads "Mary wife of William Hayter who died Oct 17 1788 aged 44, also William Hayter who died Feb 17 1832 in the 86th year of his age."

33.2 Mary Hayter (1748-?)

Mary was baptised on 21 Aug 1748 and as the first born female was named after her mother. She possibly married Robert Miles on 18 Dec 1767 at Fordingbridge.

33.3 Ann Hayter (1750-?)

Ann was baptised on 26 Apr 1750 at Harbridge, Hampshire She possibly married John Dale but no more is known.

33.4 Elizabeth Hayter (1753-?)

Elizabeth was baptised on 4 Jan 1753 at Harbridge. She married William Gibbs on 19 Oct 1773 at Harbridge. Elizabeth and her sister Grace were married in Harbridge in a double wedding ceremony. "William Gibbs a Sojourner of the Parish of Fordingbridge, and Elizabeth Hayter of this parish, spinster, were married in this Church by Banns this 19th day of October in the year 1773 by me John Maule, Vicar. This marriage was solemnized between us, (the mark of) William Gibbs and (the mark of) Elizabeth Hayter, in the presence of Isaac Hunt (brother-in-law; see below) and William Hayter".  No more is known with certainty about Elizabeth Gibbs nee Hayter.

33.5 Grace Hayter (1754-1826)

Grace was baptised 23 Nov 1754 at Harbridge. She married Isaac Hunt b1744 on 19 Oct 1773 at Harbridge. The transcript reads; "Isaac Hunt of this Parish, bachelor and Grace Hayter of this parish, spinster, were married in this Church by Banns this 19th day of October in the year 1773 by me John Maule, Vicar. This marriage was solemnized between us, Isaac Hunt and (the mark of) Grace Hayter, in the presence of (witnesses) William Gibbs (brother-in-law; see above) and William Hayter b1746 (brother)".

Grace and Isaac had ten children between 1775 and 1799. Harbridge Cemetery contains the following monumental inscription on their grave; ‘Grace, wife of Isaac Hunt who died Feb 12 1826 age 72, also Isaac Hunt who died Jan 25 1828 age 81, also John their son who died Jun 25 1820 age 21 and Sara Hunt, daughter in law of above who died Sept 20 1832 age 17.’

33.6 Benjamin Hayter (1756-1818)

Benjamin was baptised 1 Nov 1756 Harbridge. He married Catherine Smith at Harbridge on 9 Sep 1778. The marriage register of Harbridge contains the following entry "Benjamin Hayter of this Parish, and Catherine Smith of this parish, were married in this Church by Banns this 9th day of September in the year 1778 by me John Cleeves, Curate. This marriage was solemnized between us, Benjamin Hayter and (the mark of) Catherine Smith, in the presence of Wm Hayter (brother) and John Ballard".

Benjamin and Catherine had nine children born between 1778 and 1801 who were Benjamin Hayter 1778, Sarah Hayter 1781, William Hayter 1783, Mary Hayter 1786–1855, Catherine Hayter 1789, Jane Hayter 1791, George Hayter 1794, Virtue Hayter 1798–1855 and Henry Hayter 1801.

According to her age at death, Catherine Hayter nee Smith 75 was born in 1756. She was buried in Harbridge on 16 Jan 1831. Benjamin died in 1818 and was buried on 19 May 1818 at Harbridge aged 62.

33.7 GGGGGP Thomas Hayter (1758-1840)

Thomas was baptised on 5 Mar 1758 Harbridge. He married GGGGGM Elizabeth Moyle on 21 Oct 1781 at Ibsley and they went on to have five children.  It was their daughter GGGGM Rose Hayter who joined the Hayter tree to the Symes tree when she married John Symes b1781.
GGGGGP Thomas and Elizabeth Hayter nee Moyle moved to Hampreston  in the early 1800's. GGGGGM Elizabeth Hayter nee Moyle 69, "wife of Thomas Hayter" died in 1826. GGGGGF Thomas Hayter aged 82 died in 1840. Both were buried at Hampreston. (See 30.1 for more information about their lives)

33.8 Abi Hayter (1760-1779)

Abi was baptised on 13 Jan 1760 Harbridge. She died 28 Aug 1779 at the age of 19 without ever marrying or having children. She was buried on 1 Sep 1779 at Harbridge. See memorial inscription in 32.0)

33.9 James Hayter (1762-1835)

James was baptised 12 Dec 1762 Harbridge. He married Mary White on 22 Dec 1791 at Ibsley. They had three sons, all of whom were given their mother’s maiden name ‘White’ as their middle name. This tradition lasted for several generations with male children born into the family. Their children were William White Hayter who was born in 1794 and died in 1813 aged 19, James White Hayter b1796 at Ibsley and their third son seemed to go by the name of White Hayter who was born in 1799 and died on 19 Nov 1850 at Burley, Hampshire, aged 51.

James Hayter died in 1835 aged 73 and was buried 3 Feb 1835 at Ibsley, Hampshire. Mary Hayter nee White died in 1838 and was buried 4 Feb 1838 aged 75.

James White Hayter b1828 was the son of James White Hayter b1796 and the grandson of James Hayter b1762

33.10 Joseph Hayter (1764-1847)

Joseph was baptised on 23 Nov 1764 Harbridge. He married Mary Dowlin on 13 Feb 1792 at Harbridge and his occupation was listed as a ‘sojourner’ (which meant he travelled here and there to find work and accommodation).
Joseph and Mary had five children. The children were William Hayter (baptised 25 Nov 1792), Abi Hayter b1795, Samuel Hayter baptised on 11 Mar 1798 at Harbridge and buried in the same town on 8 Jan 1826, George Hayter baptised on 20 Sep 1801 at Harbridge, Joseph Hayter baptised on 10 Feb 1805 at Harbridge and died in 1866 at St Pancras, Middlesex and lastly Benjamin Hayter b1810 and died in Harbridge in 1846 aged 36.

In 1841 Joseph 75 (really 77) and Mary were living at Bleak Hill, Harbridge and their income came from ‘independent means’, which meant they were reasonably well off. Joseph aged 82, died in 1847 and was buried 13 Sep 1847 at Harbridge, Hampshire.

34.0 Hayters and Ballards in the 1600’s.

Documents recording events in the 1600’s do not yield highly reliable information. Some researchers believe the Ballard line goes back to Thomas Ballard (b1688) and Mary Dymot (b1700) who were married at All Saints Church in Harbridge on 30 Oct 1722. Researchers George Ballard and Peter Ballard Moran have concluded that “around the 1690s, the Ballards, together with the Hayters, came to Harbridge from the Cranborne area. That area is still owned by the Earl of Shaftesbury. They are most likely to have been serfs or yeoman working on the land. The two main Parishes in this area are Wimborne St Giles and Cranborne. The Harbridge-Ballards started to settle and prosper as tenanted farmers to the Lord of the Manor of Somerley Estate. The Ballard and Hayter families appear to have been prominent members of a small community. They worshipped at All Saints Church, Harbridge, where many members of their families were baptised, married and buried.”

35.0 GGGGGGGP William John Hayter (1694-1762) & Ann Sutton (1695-1768)

William John Hayter was born 1694 at Fordingbridge, Hampshire to GGGGGGGGP William Hayter and Mary Curtis. He married Ann Sutton at Ellingham (about 4 miles away) on 15 Nov 1718. Ann Sutton was born on 12 Apr 1695 at Harbridge and her father was GGGGGGGGF Thomas Sutton. According to the place of birth of their children, after their marriage they settled in Ann’s home town of Harbridge and spent all their married life in that area. Their ten children were William (1718), Ann (1720), Mary (1722), John (1724), Thomas (1726), Grace (1728), Joseph (1730), James (1732), Henerey (1735) and Benjaman (1737).

GGGGGGGF William Hayter (b1694) was buried on 5 Jun 1762 at Harbridge. William’s Last Will and Testament described him as William Hayter of  'Lodge' in the Parish of Cranborne and is dated 27 Oct 1750.  (See NOTE in 37.0 for information about  Lodge Farm, Alderholt.) His will was proven on 14 May 1767, five years after his death and mentions the following family members:- sons William, John, Thomas, Joseph, James, Henry and Benjamin and daughters Mary (wife of Alexander Brown) and Grace, and wife Ann. Witnesses to the will were James Turgis (husband of Grace and son-in-law), Elizabeth Warham and Robert Warham. Each beneficiary received one shilling, except wife Ann who received the rest of William’s goods and chattels for as long as she kept his name (did not remarry).

GGGGGGGF Ann Hayter nee Sutton was buried on 25 May 1768, Harbridge, Ringwood, Hampshire. The Last Will and testament of Ann Hayter, widow, dated 13 Oct 1767, at Modgemain in Parish of Cranborne listed the following family members:- son GGGGGGF William, sister in law Ann Crows, daughter Mary (wife of Alexander Brown), son Thomas, daughter Grace (now wife of James Turgis), son James, son Henry, son Joseph, Abi wife of Joseph and son John Hayter. Witnesses to the will were Joseph Warham, Henry Spratt and Robert Warham. The will was proven on 13 May 1769 after her death in 1768. All children were mentioned except those that were deceased; namely Ann (b1720) who died in 1731 and Benjamin who died in 1756.
NOTE: 'Modgemain' does not seem to be a place name. It may have been a misreading of "Lodge" Main as that was the wording on husband William Hayter's will

36.0 Ten children of GGGGGGGP William Hayter (1694-1762) & Ann Sutton (1695-1768)  UPDATED DEC 2018

All children were born and most were buried at All Saints Church, Harbridge, Hampshire. The Baker Family Tree web site (www.vectisjon.com/familyhistory/) has detailed information and lists sources relating to the Hayters of Harbridge.

All Saints Church Harbridge (Brendan and Ruth McCartney)  https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=8665449

36.1 GGGGGGF William Hayter (1718-1781)

GGGGGGF William Hayter was the first child of William and Ann Hayter nee Sutton and was named after his father. He married Mary Ballard in 1744 and together they went on to have ten children. See 32.0 for more information about their lives.

36.2 Ann Hayter (1720-1731)

Ann was baptised in Harbridge on 12 Mar 1720 by her parents William and Ann Hayter (nee Sutton) of Cranbourne. As the first daughter she was named after her mother. She died in 1731 at Harbridge aged 11.

36.3 Mary Hayter (1722-?)

Mary was baptised on 18 Nov 1722 and married Alexander Brown on 24 May 1754 at Ringwood. Mary died sometime after 1767 aged 46.

36.4 John Hayter (1724-1790)

John was baptised on 7 Jun 1724 at Harbridge. At some stage he moved 6 miles to Cranborne, Dorset. He was a bachelor "of the Parish of Cranborne" with the occupation of labourer, when he married Elizabeth White spinster of  the Parish of Harbridge. They were married in the parish church at Cranborne on 28 June 1755. Both parties made their mark in the presence of witnesses William White and James Pooll. (See below)

John and Elizabeth had five known children who were John Hayter b1756, William Hayter baptised on 13 Aug 1758 at Harbridge and buried on 6 Mar 1825 at Harbridge, Elizabeth Hayter baptised on 3 Feb 1760, at Harbridge, Thomas Hayter b1762 and Joseph Hayter b1768 in Dorset but died in 1844 in Hampshire.

Elizabeth Hayter nee White must have died in the 1770’s because John Hayter married Priscilla Rook in 1775 at Cranborne.  He had two more children by his second wife, who were Benjamin Hayter baptised on 13 Dec 1776 at Harbridge and was buried on 12 Jan 1817 aged 41 and George Hayter who was born in 1780 and died in 1796  aged 16.

John Hayter b1724 died and was buried at Harbridge on 12 Nov 1790 aged 65. Probate was granted and beneficiaries included son Benjamin, son George, son Joseph, son Thomas, daughter Elizabeth, son John and son William. Witnesses to the will were John’s brother Thomas Hayter and Charles Sansom.

36.5 Thomas Hayter (1726-1813)

Thomas was baptised on 4 Sep 1726 at Harbridge, Hampshire. He married May Mew at Cranbourne in 1855 in the same church as brother John Hayter and the Banns of Marriage were the next listing after those of his brother.

Wedding Banns were issued for brothers John Hayter & Elizabeth White & Thomas Hayter & Mary Mew at the end of 1754

Thomas died in 1813 and was buried 7 Mar 1813 at Cranborne, Dorset aged 86. There were no known children.

36.6 Grace Hayter (1728-1812)

Grace was baptised on 22 Sep 1728 at Harbridge. Grace Hayter of Harbridge married James Turgis Junior of the same Parish on 11 May 1756. Witnesses were James Turgis and James Pooll. Grace and James’ family became ‘prominent’ in the community. Grace had at least six sons who were James Turgis baptised on 11 Jun 1758 (must have died as an infant), James Turgis born in 1759 and died in 1807 at the age of 48, Thomas Turgis baptised on 10 Jan 1763 at Harbridge and died in 1849, Uriah Turgis baptised on 18 Dec 1765, William Turgis baptised on 18 Nov 1765 and buried on 1 Jun 1818 at Harbridge and Joseph Turgis baptised on 10 Oct 1768.

Grace’s husband James Turgis was the cousin of another James Turgis, a man of significant means and probably a relative. This James never had any of his own children who survived, but made our James Turgis and his son James, his beneficiaries. The Hayters were usually participants in, or witnesses to the Turgis wills, and/or marriages. Grace's husband James was in turn the son of Thomas Turgis who had several children all baptised at Salisbury, St. Edmunds starting in 1690.

James Turgis died in Harbridge in 1807 and Grace Turgis nee Hayter died in 1812 aged 84.

36.7 Joseph Hayter (1729-1829)

Joseph was baptised in 1729 at Harbridge. He married Abi King (1735-1815) in Harbridge in 1862. The bishop's transcript reads: "Joseph Hayter of the Parish of Cranborne, Dorset, bachelor, and Abi King of this Parish, spinster, married in this church by banns this 12th day of April in the year 1762 by me John Maule (Vicar). This marriage was solemnized between us Joseph Hayter and Abi King. In the presence of James Turgis and Ann Lane".

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/149388518

Joseph died on 18 Jul 1829 and was buried at All Saints Churchyard, Harbridge. Parts of the inscription appear to read. ‘Abi wife of Joseph Hayter who died 25th June 1815, Aged 78 years.  .... Joseph Hayter of Alderholt Lodge, who died 18 July 1829 in the 100th year of his age'. 

36.8 James Hayter (1732-1772)

James was baptised at Harbridge on 11 Mar 1732.  Not much else is known, however Jon Baker writes, "I believe James did marry, and his wife was called Mary, but I have two possible marriages and I cannot be certain which is correct. I have Mary Tilly on 22 Mar 1764 or Mary Veal on 9 Nov 1767. Both marriages took place in Ringwood. It is possible I suppose that James married both, but the information available cannot conclusively prove so far which marriage is correct." James Hayter died in 1772 at the age of 39.

36.9 Henry Hayter (1735-1819)

Henry was baptised on 30 Apr 1735 at Harbridge. He married Francis (Fanny) Short at Ringwood on 9 Mar 1763. They had twelve children all born in the Harbridge area.

Gravestone at Harbridge: "Sacred to the memory of Henry Hayter who died 12 Jun 1819 aged 84 years. Frances Hayter his wife who died 13 Nov 1832 aged 86 years"

Henry died on 12 Jun 1819 aged 84 and was buried at Harbridge. Frances (Fanny) Hayter nee Short died in 1832 aged 86 and was buried with her husband in All Saints churchyard at Harbridge.

36.10 Benjamin Hayter (1737-1756)

Benjamin was the last born of the family. He was baptised on 8 May 1737 at Harbridge. Benjamin died in 1756 at the age of 19 and no record of a wife or children has been found.

37.0 GGGGGGGGP Thomas Hayter (1670-1737) & Mary Curtis (1668-1731)

The parents of GGGGGGGP William Hayter (1694-1762) were GGGGGGGGP Thomas Hayter b1670 and Mary Curtis b1668. Thomas and Mary were married around 1688 and had at least six children, but only the eldest two survived to adulthood. The children were John Hayter (b1689, d1762  aged 73 years), GGGGGGGF William Hayter (b1694, dJun 1762 aged 68 years), Job Hayter (b4 Dec 1695, bur. 26 Oct 1698, Fordingbridge aged 2 years), Thomas Hayter ( b15 Apr 1698, bur. 26 Oct 1698,  aged 6 months), Henry Hayter (b?, bur. 2 Nov 1698), Unknown Hayter (b1702,  bur. 13 Mar 1702, Fordingbridge, an infant). All children appear to have been born in Fordingbridge.

No more is known about their lives apart from their burial details. GGGGGGGGM Mary Hayter nee Curtis the wife of Thomas Hayter of  'The Warren Lodge' upon Alderholt Common, was buried at Fordingbridge on 6 Apr 1731. GGGGGGGGF Thomas Hayter of Alderholt Lodge was buried at Fordingbridge on 6 Nov 1737.

The two surviving children of GGGGGGGGP Thomas Hayter b1670 & Mary Curtis b1668 were John Hayter who was baptised in Fordingbridge in 1689 and died in 1762 aged 73 and GGGGGGGF William John Hayter who was born in 1694 at Fordingbridge, Hampshire, and died Jun 1762 aged 68. (see 36.0)

NOTE: Alderholt is a large village and civil parish in Dorset; situated 3 miles west of Fordingbridge. Warren Lodge was possibly part of today's 'Warren Park Farm', Ringwood Road, Alderholt. Descendants of the Hayters were associated with (Warren) Lodge Farm, Alderholt over a long period of time, In 1911 Alexander Hayter  60 was listed in the census as "employer Lodge Farm Alderholt" and the 1915 Kelly's Directory listed "Hayter, Alex & Benj(amin) Farmers, Warren Farm Alderholt".

In 1858 Alexander's father Jeremiah George Hayter was listed as "Yeoman of Alderholt Lodge" and the 1861 census listed George's location as Lodge Farm, Alderholt, Cranborne, Dorset. His details were; George Hayter 41 married smallholder of 40 acres employing 1 man & 1 boy Fordingbridge. 

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